Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH) went after Dr. Anthony Fauci during a House subcommittee meeting after Fauci was unable to provide specific metrics for when life could resume as normal, saying that Americans had suffered "one year of lost liberty."
Jordan repeatedly pressed Fauci on what numbers of infections, transmission rates, hospitalizations, or death would need to be reached in order for Americans to receive their freedoms back. Fauci responded that "the level of infection" would need to return to "acceptable numbers" before that could happen.
"We had ‘15 days to slow the spread' turned into one year of lost liberty," Jordan said to the infectious disease specialist. "What metrics, what measures, what has to happen before Americans get more freedoms?"
Fauci offered no metrics in his response, simply saying that the goal was to "help lower the number of COVID cases in the U.S. so it's not a threat."
"What determines when? What measure?" Jordan countered. "Are we just going to continue this forever? When, when do we get to the point, what measure, what standard, objective outcome, do we have to reach before Americans get their liberties and freedoms back?"
Fauci and Jordan then sparred over the notion of Americans having lost liberty, with the president's coronavirus adviser questioning the idea that any freedoms have been sacrificed.
Congressman Jim Clyburn (D-SC) entered the discussion to tell Jordan the proper number was 90% of congressmen being vaccinated. Jordan stressed he was not interested in Clyburn's number but Fauci's, since it was the latter's views that were shaping public policy.
"I want to know if that's what Dr. Fauci thinks," Jordan said. "Is it 90%, Dr. Fauci? Is it 90%? That's what I'd like to know. Give us some objective standards verses when somethings are reached we might be able to get back to having our liberty. When? What are the numbers?"
Fauci offered no specific numbers or metrics in response.